1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,028 I like to thank thank you first of all 2 00:00:02,730 --> 00:00:09,830 to Pina and Fredrik who has invited me 3 00:00:06,028 --> 00:00:12,539 to this event as you can see from the 4 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:14,460 presentation I am NOT an official 5 00:00:12,539 --> 00:00:17,788 representative of the Exopolitics 6 00:00:14,460 --> 00:00:21,830 movement my home base is the youthful 7 00:00:17,789 --> 00:00:24,840 research community and presently I am 8 00:00:21,829 --> 00:00:27,778 vice chairman for UEFA's weed and the 9 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:30,268 National Organization in Sweden and I am 10 00:00:27,778 --> 00:00:33,149 also one of the founders of and 11 00:00:30,268 --> 00:00:36,269 presently director of archives for UFO 12 00:00:33,149 --> 00:00:40,469 research situated in norrköping 13 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:43,859 in Sweden and as you can see in this 14 00:00:40,469 --> 00:00:46,980 picture here it is the largest UFO 15 00:00:43,859 --> 00:00:49,920 archive in the world you don't have to 16 00:00:46,979 --> 00:00:51,419 go to Paris or New York or Chicago to 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,059 look at the largest art curve you have 18 00:00:51,420 --> 00:00:57,590 to come to north europe in sweden which 19 00:00:54,058 --> 00:01:03,269 many journalists find rather fantastic 20 00:00:57,590 --> 00:01:06,960 but why dedicate or why create the 21 00:01:03,270 --> 00:01:10,820 largest do for archive in the world why 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:13,739 and why spent 40-plus years 23 00:01:10,819 --> 00:01:16,798 investigating something that mainstream 24 00:01:13,739 --> 00:01:22,408 science and many people regard a simple 25 00:01:16,799 --> 00:01:25,170 nonsense or fantasy well I don't regard 26 00:01:22,409 --> 00:01:28,409 these subjects as nonsense and fantasy 27 00:01:25,170 --> 00:01:32,189 I've been in it for as I said 40 plus 28 00:01:28,409 --> 00:01:34,920 years and I think this is a subject that 29 00:01:32,188 --> 00:01:38,188 will have tremendous implications in the 30 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:41,490 future I would say that history is on 31 00:01:38,188 --> 00:01:44,398 our side who we will delve into this 32 00:01:41,489 --> 00:01:46,379 subject of course most scientists would 33 00:01:44,399 --> 00:01:50,040 not agree with me especially not in 34 00:01:46,379 --> 00:01:53,519 Sweden we have the Swedish kept achill 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:56,340 movement they tell me you should close 36 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:58,590 down the archive it's meaningless close 37 00:01:56,340 --> 00:02:00,659 down the archive and stop researching 38 00:01:58,590 --> 00:02:02,780 UEFA's and do something useful instead 39 00:02:00,659 --> 00:02:06,810 like bird-watching 40 00:02:02,780 --> 00:02:09,090 well I've done a lot of bird-watching in 41 00:02:06,810 --> 00:02:12,270 my life but it was other kind of birds 42 00:02:09,090 --> 00:02:14,450 of course there are many kinds of birds 43 00:02:12,270 --> 00:02:19,189 you know 44 00:02:14,449 --> 00:02:21,589 I will try to give you my perspective on 45 00:02:19,189 --> 00:02:24,739 the subject from a Swedish will point 46 00:02:21,590 --> 00:02:28,009 from a research viewpoint and my 47 00:02:24,739 --> 00:02:32,000 personal viewpoint after having studied 48 00:02:28,009 --> 00:02:34,548 this for so long for so many years and I 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:38,360 will first show you some interesting 50 00:02:34,549 --> 00:02:42,739 cases just to show the complexity of 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:45,349 this enigma the enormous complex enigma 52 00:02:42,739 --> 00:02:48,170 that this is and then I will also show 53 00:02:45,348 --> 00:02:55,339 how we have built this archive and how 54 00:02:48,169 --> 00:02:57,500 we are working in Sweden so let's start 55 00:02:55,340 --> 00:03:03,140 with some cases that I have investigate 56 00:02:57,500 --> 00:03:05,598 myself this observation was done in a 57 00:03:03,139 --> 00:03:10,128 little town called Bear Creek in 58 00:03:05,598 --> 00:03:11,048 September 1989 and it was a mother and 59 00:03:10,128 --> 00:03:14,030 her daughter 60 00:03:11,049 --> 00:03:18,680 Justine Johnson and Tina Johnson 61 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:22,250 they were driving in a car on the way 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:25,969 home in this little community and they 63 00:03:22,250 --> 00:03:29,979 saw from about how some hundred meters 64 00:03:25,969 --> 00:03:35,180 an object just above the treetops 65 00:03:29,979 --> 00:03:38,328 hovering and the mother sure Steen very 66 00:03:35,180 --> 00:03:42,549 slowly drove closer to this object 67 00:03:38,329 --> 00:03:46,189 hovering and she stopped and parked just 68 00:03:42,549 --> 00:03:49,579 as you can see here just below this 69 00:03:46,189 --> 00:03:51,680 object they had this thing so it could 70 00:03:49,579 --> 00:03:55,540 have been say twelve fifteen meters up 71 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:59,769 in the sky and see see it very clearly 72 00:03:55,539 --> 00:04:05,090 it's a fist obviously physical craft 73 00:03:59,769 --> 00:04:11,000 metallic windows that there is a light 74 00:04:05,090 --> 00:04:13,609 coming from there is no sound and the 75 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:17,959 mother who is I think very brave opened 76 00:04:13,609 --> 00:04:20,900 the door and tried to step out to see 77 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:23,658 more of this object but her daughter who 78 00:04:20,899 --> 00:04:25,908 was 13 years at the time and said were 79 00:04:23,658 --> 00:04:26,870 in the back seat she became so 80 00:04:25,908 --> 00:04:29,029 frightened that his 81 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:32,478 to cry and said mama I want to go home 82 00:04:29,029 --> 00:04:36,259 don't go out so she had to close the 83 00:04:32,478 --> 00:04:39,978 door again and when she did this she can 84 00:04:36,259 --> 00:04:41,810 see this craft tilting slightly and she 85 00:04:39,978 --> 00:04:45,620 saw that there works there were windows 86 00:04:41,810 --> 00:04:48,589 and then it just slightly goes away over 87 00:04:45,620 --> 00:04:50,240 the words and disappears and they go 88 00:04:48,589 --> 00:04:52,369 home and tell this to the rest of the 89 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,860 family now the interesting thing with 90 00:04:52,370 --> 00:04:58,310 this case is that here we have two 91 00:04:54,860 --> 00:05:02,449 witnesses but I know that there were at 92 00:04:58,310 --> 00:05:05,120 least 17 witnesses who saw that this 93 00:05:02,449 --> 00:05:07,520 object at very close range but they do 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,370 not dare to talk to us they don't even 95 00:05:07,519 --> 00:05:13,339 want to talk to us they have written a 96 00:05:10,370 --> 00:05:15,379 letter anonymously to me 97 00:05:13,339 --> 00:05:18,439 and telling what they saw they saw this 98 00:05:15,379 --> 00:05:23,538 object from another the same object from 99 00:05:18,439 --> 00:05:25,459 over a lake at the same time but I think 100 00:05:23,538 --> 00:05:30,279 that is it the interesting thing is they 101 00:05:25,459 --> 00:05:32,329 don't even dare to talk to me about it 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,279 and this is a problem this 103 00:05:32,329 --> 00:05:38,800 self-censorship which comes up very 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:43,189 often in in close encounter cases and 105 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:47,680 tina and sharon has told me also that if 106 00:05:43,189 --> 00:05:50,689 they knew how the press would have 107 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,430 treated this subject how they were 108 00:05:50,689 --> 00:05:54,769 treated in the press they would never 109 00:05:52,430 --> 00:05:57,709 have talked about it and i think this is 110 00:05:54,769 --> 00:06:01,069 this is very sad really and it's a it's 111 00:05:57,709 --> 00:06:03,019 a problem almost every time when I have 112 00:06:01,069 --> 00:06:05,629 a lecture somewhere in Sweden someone 113 00:06:03,019 --> 00:06:08,329 comes up afterwards and say I want to 114 00:06:05,629 --> 00:06:09,529 talk to you privately and they give me a 115 00:06:08,329 --> 00:06:12,649 very often a very interesting 116 00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:15,649 information interesting cases but they 117 00:06:12,649 --> 00:06:17,359 say don't mention my name and often I 118 00:06:15,649 --> 00:06:19,310 can't even get their phone numbers or 119 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,410 their address they just tell me this if 120 00:06:19,310 --> 00:06:23,538 you I just tell me this this is the way 121 00:06:21,410 --> 00:06:25,939 it ways I don't want any more 122 00:06:23,538 --> 00:06:30,469 involvement in it this is a problem for 123 00:06:25,939 --> 00:06:32,629 us who are into research and here you 124 00:06:30,470 --> 00:06:34,780 have the witnesses pointing to the sky 125 00:06:32,629 --> 00:06:37,610 whether the craft was seen them 126 00:06:34,779 --> 00:06:40,069 classical close observations we have 127 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:42,550 hundreds in Sweden and of course all 128 00:06:40,069 --> 00:06:42,550 over the world 129 00:06:45,449 --> 00:06:53,620 another case this was a military pilot 130 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,530 his name was Sven Alomar song he was on 131 00:06:53,620 --> 00:07:03,490 a military exercise in the summer of 132 00:06:55,529 --> 00:07:06,849 1977 and ground radar got noticed an 133 00:07:03,490 --> 00:07:10,689 unidentified target outside the island 134 00:07:06,850 --> 00:07:13,090 of Ireland in the Baltic Sea and Sven 135 00:07:10,689 --> 00:07:18,069 was ordered to investigate this object 136 00:07:13,089 --> 00:07:22,750 so he changed this of course and tries 137 00:07:18,069 --> 00:07:24,550 to goes to a toasties object and when he 138 00:07:22,750 --> 00:07:28,300 comes closer he can also see it on his 139 00:07:24,550 --> 00:07:32,740 own radar and he goes full speed to try 140 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:37,120 to come closer to this object but when 141 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:39,550 he is closer suddenly it just sent still 142 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,110 and suddenly just zoom straight up in 143 00:07:39,550 --> 00:07:45,129 the sky and disappears and he has no 144 00:07:41,110 --> 00:07:49,810 chance to follow it but the interesting 145 00:07:45,129 --> 00:07:54,189 thing in when he landed he said I didn't 146 00:07:49,810 --> 00:07:58,389 see anything he denied that and any type 147 00:07:54,189 --> 00:08:02,050 of observation for his military jeeps so 148 00:07:58,389 --> 00:08:03,870 to say and when we interviewed him a 149 00:08:02,050 --> 00:08:06,728 couple of years off to this we have a 150 00:08:03,870 --> 00:08:09,449 taped interview we asked why didn't you 151 00:08:06,728 --> 00:08:12,129 why didn't you tell this to your boss 152 00:08:09,449 --> 00:08:14,050 well I didn't want to be confronted with 153 00:08:12,129 --> 00:08:16,750 the military psychiatrists was his 154 00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:20,168 answer now this is interesting the 155 00:08:16,750 --> 00:08:22,750 Swedish military pilot goes after an 156 00:08:20,168 --> 00:08:25,959 unidentified object and he doesn't want 157 00:08:22,750 --> 00:08:27,839 to talk to it even in his career so to 158 00:08:25,959 --> 00:08:30,159 speak but he talked he talked to us 159 00:08:27,839 --> 00:08:33,158 unfortunately he's he died a couple of 160 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:36,250 years in a helicopter accident but his 161 00:08:33,158 --> 00:08:40,870 case is very interesting but here we 162 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:43,418 have again this with self-censorship so 163 00:08:40,870 --> 00:08:46,149 many people who have close observations 164 00:08:43,418 --> 00:08:50,620 do not dare to talk about it because of 165 00:08:46,149 --> 00:08:52,419 fear this is only fear of course what 166 00:08:50,620 --> 00:08:53,840 will happen and I can understand it it's 167 00:08:52,419 --> 00:08:57,139 not easy to 168 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,910 being made of fool in the press or 169 00:08:57,139 --> 00:09:00,590 something like this this is this is a 170 00:08:58,909 --> 00:09:02,509 problem this is the problem for us who 171 00:09:00,590 --> 00:09:05,810 are into this type of research 172 00:09:02,509 --> 00:09:09,799 many many observations and good close 173 00:09:05,809 --> 00:09:11,929 encounters just sort of go down a train 174 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:14,799 because we can't we can't talk to them 175 00:09:11,929 --> 00:09:14,799 to witnesses 176 00:09:17,350 --> 00:09:23,899 I'll give you another case which is very 177 00:09:20,419 --> 00:09:26,299 special my I have concentrated on the 178 00:09:23,899 --> 00:09:30,338 most controversial aspect of this enigma 179 00:09:26,299 --> 00:09:34,359 and that is the close account cases and 180 00:09:30,339 --> 00:09:39,020 physical contact cases with alien beings 181 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:40,669 who look like us almost like us and of 182 00:09:39,019 --> 00:09:44,809 course you can understand this is the 183 00:09:40,669 --> 00:09:49,939 most difficult thing to investigate with 184 00:09:44,809 --> 00:09:52,819 so many fantastic rumours and of course 185 00:09:49,940 --> 00:09:55,040 there are many people who are on drugs 186 00:09:52,820 --> 00:09:57,020 who tell these things there are people 187 00:09:55,039 --> 00:09:58,069 who are psychological problems there are 188 00:09:57,019 --> 00:10:00,319 people in it for money 189 00:09:58,070 --> 00:10:04,070 also of course and I've encountered all 190 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:09,980 of these but I have also encountered or 191 00:10:04,070 --> 00:10:13,490 investigated say three four or five very 192 00:10:09,980 --> 00:10:16,250 very special physical contact cases 193 00:10:13,490 --> 00:10:16,909 which I find extremely puzzling and I 194 00:10:16,250 --> 00:10:18,679 can't 195 00:10:16,909 --> 00:10:21,860 I haven't found an explanation for them 196 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:24,709 I can't say that they are evidence that 197 00:10:21,860 --> 00:10:28,129 we are visited by someone but they are 198 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:35,480 truly for me very puzzling and I'll give 199 00:10:28,129 --> 00:10:38,539 you one example this case is a Swedish 200 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,670 lady I call her Anna because she doesn't 201 00:10:38,539 --> 00:10:43,159 want her name to be published as long as 202 00:10:40,669 --> 00:10:46,579 she's alive she's 90 years old today 203 00:10:43,159 --> 00:10:49,338 living in Stockholm she has lived a very 204 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:51,759 special life being all over the world I 205 00:10:49,339 --> 00:10:55,250 think you yes 206 00:10:51,759 --> 00:10:57,559 dine with diplomats she no film stars 207 00:10:55,250 --> 00:11:02,629 president Sosa Widow she has lived a 208 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:06,799 sort of high society life and everything 209 00:11:02,629 --> 00:11:07,580 started in 1949 when she and some 210 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:13,789 friends had a 211 00:11:07,580 --> 00:11:20,540 at cottage in wind in the Stockholm 212 00:11:13,789 --> 00:11:21,980 archipelago and Anna went out and she 213 00:11:20,539 --> 00:11:26,179 should fetch something for the dinner 214 00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:29,990 and she so a light coming torture from 215 00:11:26,179 --> 00:11:33,589 the sea and he stopped very close to the 216 00:11:29,990 --> 00:11:35,090 shore so she she called for everybody 217 00:11:33,590 --> 00:11:36,620 out there were twelve people there she 218 00:11:35,090 --> 00:11:38,360 called for them and everybody came out 219 00:11:36,620 --> 00:11:41,090 and they looked at this very strange 220 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:43,850 light was just was just hovering near 221 00:11:41,090 --> 00:11:46,840 the shore they couldn't see any craft or 222 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:49,700 something but just a strange line and 223 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,129 they discussed what it could be and 224 00:11:49,700 --> 00:11:56,470 suddenly this light just goes straight 225 00:11:52,129 --> 00:11:56,470 up in the sky very fast and disappears 226 00:11:56,950 --> 00:12:03,650 and this force in 48 or 49 she's not 227 00:12:01,129 --> 00:12:11,269 absolutely sure that so we have to move 228 00:12:03,649 --> 00:12:14,840 ten years later and she is now staying 229 00:12:11,269 --> 00:12:19,009 in Mexico with her new husband she 230 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:25,250 married she remarried in 1958 with a man 231 00:12:19,009 --> 00:12:29,029 who was involved in a industrialist he 232 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:34,399 was part of a large combustion 233 00:12:29,029 --> 00:12:38,299 engineering firm in Mexico and one day 234 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:40,490 this man came home to to an and said I 235 00:12:38,299 --> 00:12:43,549 am at a very special man today at my 236 00:12:40,490 --> 00:12:45,529 work and he we should meet him it's a 237 00:12:43,549 --> 00:12:47,149 very special man he's super intelligent 238 00:12:45,529 --> 00:12:50,720 we should really have a nice dinner 239 00:12:47,149 --> 00:12:55,850 together and they this dinner is 240 00:12:50,720 --> 00:13:01,340 arranged and this man who is called Ben 241 00:12:55,850 --> 00:13:05,540 Austin he is living in Guatemala about 242 00:13:01,340 --> 00:13:09,170 two hours drive from Guatemala City so 243 00:13:05,539 --> 00:13:11,599 Anna and her husband goes to a hotel in 244 00:13:09,169 --> 00:13:15,289 Guatemala City where they are picked up 245 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:18,590 by two servants from this man Austin and 246 00:13:15,289 --> 00:13:21,059 a drive out far out in the country to a 247 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:26,460 small bungalow for a formal 248 00:13:21,059 --> 00:13:27,359 a formal dinner and it's a normal dinner 249 00:13:26,460 --> 00:13:31,200 nothing special 250 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,789 after dinner this man says to the 251 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,280 servants you can you can leave now 252 00:13:32,789 --> 00:13:41,069 it's okay and they start an after-dinner 253 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:44,850 chat and suddenly he says to Anna you 254 00:13:41,070 --> 00:13:48,180 are interested in UFOs and she says no 255 00:13:44,850 --> 00:13:50,659 no I'm not because she has never told 256 00:13:48,179 --> 00:13:53,549 her new husband about you for experience 257 00:13:50,659 --> 00:13:55,919 he doesn't know anything about it but 258 00:13:53,549 --> 00:13:57,959 this man's who they who has invited them 259 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:59,699 for dinner says yes you are you are 260 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:07,050 interested in you first you have even 261 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:09,690 seen a UFO you saw us when we came in at 262 00:14:07,049 --> 00:14:12,659 your bungalow in the Stockholm 263 00:14:09,690 --> 00:14:17,760 archipelago we came in from the east and 264 00:14:12,659 --> 00:14:22,409 you observed us and he she says this he 265 00:14:17,759 --> 00:14:25,230 says this after the dinner and anna says 266 00:14:22,409 --> 00:14:27,120 i was completely shocked i didn't know 267 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:30,180 what to say i was i was really scared 268 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,159 she says how could this man know 269 00:14:30,179 --> 00:14:38,009 something that even my husband didn't 270 00:14:32,159 --> 00:14:41,429 know and they start talking about this 271 00:14:38,009 --> 00:14:44,939 and this man explains I'm not from here 272 00:14:41,429 --> 00:14:46,319 I am stationed here to sort of keep an 273 00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:47,940 eye on you what you're doing on this 274 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:52,560 planet that you're not destroying it 275 00:14:47,940 --> 00:14:54,660 totally and of course Anna doesn't know 276 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:58,019 what to think about this it's the total 277 00:14:54,659 --> 00:15:00,569 absurd situation she is used to meet 278 00:14:58,019 --> 00:15:02,340 people from all over the world in all 279 00:15:00,570 --> 00:15:05,820 walks of life and here we have a man who 280 00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:07,759 says I am NOT from here and who has told 281 00:15:05,820 --> 00:15:12,510 her about her observations with him 282 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:15,000 it's very strange this man says yes I'm 283 00:15:12,509 --> 00:15:17,429 I'm not from here I have a Scottish 284 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,110 passport but it because it's easiest the 285 00:15:17,429 --> 00:15:21,899 easiest way to get passports on your 286 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:24,300 planet is through Scotland there are so 287 00:15:21,899 --> 00:15:31,379 many dialects that's that's his 288 00:15:24,299 --> 00:15:33,329 explanation and they he is about it's 289 00:15:31,379 --> 00:15:34,500 not very tall it's about a hundred fifty 290 00:15:33,330 --> 00:15:38,070 centimeters tall 291 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:42,240 and he has a rather strange suntan it's 292 00:15:38,070 --> 00:15:46,530 not a normal suntan it's since but if he 293 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:50,070 could be a no ordinary any anybody from 294 00:15:46,529 --> 00:15:54,319 Sweden or anybody yes dark hair no beard 295 00:15:50,070 --> 00:15:59,040 and his rather stocky is muscled ER and 296 00:15:54,320 --> 00:16:01,590 they keep on discussing talked about 297 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:04,039 this for a while and then this man says 298 00:16:01,590 --> 00:16:08,940 suddenly would you like to take a trip 299 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:11,939 in my saucer in our sorcerer and Anna 300 00:16:08,940 --> 00:16:13,830 says no no III got my children here I 301 00:16:11,940 --> 00:16:16,740 don't want to go anywhere but but her 302 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:21,450 husband says who is an engineer yeah 303 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:25,350 that would be really interesting and so 304 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:29,759 it comes up that Anna goes back to the 305 00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:31,950 hotel in Guatemala City and they say we 306 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:36,779 will deliver your husband at six o'clock 307 00:16:31,950 --> 00:16:40,620 tomorrow morning at the hotel so she 308 00:16:36,779 --> 00:16:42,360 goes goes and wait for her husband of 309 00:16:40,620 --> 00:16:45,899 course he can't sleep because this is a 310 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:51,120 totally bizarre situation and he comes 311 00:16:45,899 --> 00:16:53,909 home at six o'clock and he is very upset 312 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:57,210 very very obsessed white is his sheet 313 00:16:53,909 --> 00:16:59,459 very upset and it tries to explain what 314 00:16:57,210 --> 00:17:03,210 has happened he said it was incredible 315 00:16:59,460 --> 00:17:06,289 this was fantastic and he said they went 316 00:17:03,210 --> 00:17:09,720 behind this bungalow this man in him and 317 00:17:06,289 --> 00:17:12,740 there was a hidden a small craft a 318 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:17,130 flying saucer on three legs tripod legs 319 00:17:12,740 --> 00:17:20,819 rather small they went under this on a 320 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:24,090 stairs up in the craft he could take two 321 00:17:20,819 --> 00:17:26,700 or three people maximum and he said the 322 00:17:24,089 --> 00:17:28,199 start ending was very odd it was a very 323 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:32,130 very small one it was like a small 324 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:34,620 pyramid and when they used this one he 325 00:17:32,130 --> 00:17:39,200 had heard a small sound and then they 326 00:17:34,619 --> 00:17:42,029 went away up and there was no sound 327 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:46,740 there were windows also in this craft he 328 00:17:42,029 --> 00:17:48,960 was an ordinary flying saucer type but 329 00:17:46,740 --> 00:17:50,670 then of course wanted to know more you 330 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,620 must tell me what happened you do really 331 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:55,650 flying the flying saucer she was 332 00:17:52,619 --> 00:17:57,839 skeptical I can't really did you really 333 00:17:55,650 --> 00:17:59,700 do that and then he became angry and 334 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:04,500 said if you don't believe me I will 335 00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:07,590 never ever talk about this again and he 336 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:10,890 didn't and something happened to this 337 00:18:07,589 --> 00:18:15,419 man because when he came home his eyes 338 00:18:10,890 --> 00:18:22,500 had changed from blue to black which was 339 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:26,730 very strange and his manner changed he 340 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:28,769 became very aggressive after this they 341 00:18:26,730 --> 00:18:30,808 lived together in about six years after 342 00:18:28,769 --> 00:18:33,690 this but he became very aggressive very 343 00:18:30,808 --> 00:18:35,910 brutal and he beat her up very badly so 344 00:18:33,690 --> 00:18:41,670 she had to flee with her children back 345 00:18:35,910 --> 00:18:45,779 to Sweden again in 1966 and they met one 346 00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:49,740 time after this in 1998 at the funeral 347 00:18:45,779 --> 00:18:51,869 of their son and then her former husband 348 00:18:49,740 --> 00:18:54,599 said I'm sorry for what happened that 349 00:18:51,869 --> 00:18:57,209 time but that experience destroyed my 350 00:18:54,599 --> 00:19:01,049 life I don't that's all I can say and 351 00:18:57,210 --> 00:19:03,480 when she looked at him then her his eyes 352 00:19:01,049 --> 00:19:08,960 were blue again they were not black as 353 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:12,630 before that's the story and when you 354 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:15,539 Anna says I this one thing I regret in 355 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:17,190 my life why didn't I go back and take a 356 00:19:15,539 --> 00:19:19,139 look at the source of myself 357 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:21,330 why didn't I why didn't I follow it I 358 00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:23,640 would have seen it would like to seen it 359 00:19:21,329 --> 00:19:25,529 she is still she said I don't know if if 360 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:29,670 this man came from outer space or what 361 00:19:25,529 --> 00:19:34,079 this is this is what I experienced so 362 00:19:29,670 --> 00:19:37,080 there you have a contact case and you 363 00:19:34,079 --> 00:19:39,210 see when you have all these aspects of 364 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:42,799 the you finding my you understand that 365 00:19:39,210 --> 00:19:46,350 this is not an easy thing to tell them - 366 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:48,690 how are we going to work with this 367 00:19:46,349 --> 00:19:50,879 subject it's not just a scientific 368 00:19:48,690 --> 00:19:52,679 problem it's an intelligence problem 369 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,720 it's a political problem it's a 370 00:19:52,679 --> 00:19:58,050 religious problem it has enormous 371 00:19:54,720 --> 00:20:00,450 implications this is one of the cases I 372 00:19:58,049 --> 00:20:01,919 investigated physical contact 373 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:04,380 there are others that I have written 374 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:06,769 enough about in my books but I just give 375 00:20:04,380 --> 00:20:09,930 you an example of the problem you can 376 00:20:06,769 --> 00:20:14,160 encounter when you when you investigate 377 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:16,620 these things so who shall do the 378 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,000 youthful research then how shall we do 379 00:20:16,619 --> 00:20:18,779 this I think this is not an easy 380 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,480 question 381 00:20:18,779 --> 00:20:23,940 there are several several agendas we can 382 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:26,549 work several areas in between we can 383 00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:30,360 work in different ways with this first 384 00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:35,879 of all who should do this shall we the 385 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:37,799 state the government well I I don't know 386 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:41,010 how the government would treat a case 387 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:45,599 like the last one I talked about the 388 00:20:41,009 --> 00:20:49,170 military well maybe and then we have 389 00:20:45,599 --> 00:20:51,719 private institutions like you for Sweden 390 00:20:49,170 --> 00:20:54,120 or Archives for you or for research who 391 00:20:51,720 --> 00:21:00,660 shall do the research but what is the 392 00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:03,719 best way to deal with this we have 393 00:21:00,660 --> 00:21:08,970 chosen private research in Sweden we 394 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:11,700 have chosen to do this ourselves because 395 00:21:08,970 --> 00:21:14,120 this subject is so controversial it is 396 00:21:11,700 --> 00:21:17,700 scientifically controversial of course 397 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:20,099 try to get a scientist in Sweden to to 398 00:21:17,700 --> 00:21:23,220 engage in this is very very difficult 399 00:21:20,099 --> 00:21:26,809 fear is the normal reaction then it's 400 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:29,160 militarily controversial of course 401 00:21:26,809 --> 00:21:32,279 politically politically controversial 402 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,590 yes I can't hardly imagine any 403 00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:36,720 politician in Sweden who would stand up 404 00:21:34,589 --> 00:21:37,279 and say I think this is an important 405 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,309 subject 406 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:45,660 let's do research on this he would get 407 00:21:41,309 --> 00:21:47,490 left out of his political career I think 408 00:21:45,660 --> 00:21:52,320 at least in Sweden I'm talking about 409 00:21:47,490 --> 00:21:54,870 Sweden there may be another situation in 410 00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:58,379 other places and it's religiously 411 00:21:54,869 --> 00:22:01,589 controversial even in the very secular 412 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:05,900 state of Sweden and I noticed this a 413 00:22:01,589 --> 00:22:10,019 couple of years ago when I visit my 414 00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:12,690 physiotherapist I have a bad back and we 415 00:22:10,019 --> 00:22:16,170 used to talk about everything 416 00:22:12,690 --> 00:22:18,059 and one time he asked me Oh what what do 417 00:22:16,170 --> 00:22:20,759 you do on your free time in your spare 418 00:22:18,059 --> 00:22:24,240 time and I said oh well I mean I'm doing 419 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:27,539 UFO research and then he became very 420 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:32,160 quiet and said you know you are working 421 00:22:27,539 --> 00:22:36,559 with demons and I didn't know what to 422 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:38,640 say and he was engaged in his Swedish 423 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:41,849 religious movement I think it was a 424 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:45,960 Seventh day Adventists or something but 425 00:22:41,849 --> 00:22:47,909 but his his attitude was so clear you 426 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,490 are you are working with demons and how 427 00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:56,430 conversation was not so easy after that 428 00:22:50,490 --> 00:23:00,089 I can say but these are the reasons that 429 00:22:56,430 --> 00:23:03,029 we try to do it ourselves we do the 430 00:23:00,089 --> 00:23:07,159 research ourselves that's that's the way 431 00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:11,970 we are trying to do it in Sweden so far 432 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:14,279 and one thing maybe some of you know of 433 00:23:11,970 --> 00:23:19,860 the ghost Rockets oh I've heard of the 434 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:22,250 ghost Rockets Sweden has a very special 435 00:23:19,859 --> 00:23:24,979 Sweden was the first country with a flat 436 00:23:22,250 --> 00:23:28,940 that you had many observations of 437 00:23:24,980 --> 00:23:31,710 strange craft in 1946 there was 1000 438 00:23:28,940 --> 00:23:35,789 documented observations of missile types 439 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:41,279 like this over Sweden which often went 440 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:43,200 on they crashed in lakes and the 441 00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:47,430 military looked for them but never found 442 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:49,350 anything this happens even today there 443 00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:51,840 are the same type of cases happen in 444 00:23:49,349 --> 00:23:54,619 Sweden today and why just in Sweden we 445 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:58,319 don't know but last week we did an 446 00:23:54,619 --> 00:24:00,869 expedition to Lake Namara in the north 447 00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:04,230 of Sweden with 15 people two 448 00:24:00,869 --> 00:24:07,729 professional divers to try to find one 449 00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:12,000 of these strange craft that landed on 450 00:24:07,730 --> 00:24:16,140 Lake Namara in 1980 it was this couple 451 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:20,190 here who and leesburg who in July the 452 00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:23,580 31st of July 1918 so this type of 453 00:24:20,190 --> 00:24:25,620 missile or whatever it is come down over 454 00:24:23,579 --> 00:24:26,399 the lake and make a hundred and eighty 455 00:24:25,619 --> 00:24:30,029 degree 456 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:34,290 turn and landed not crash-landed on the 457 00:24:30,029 --> 00:24:37,069 lake and sank to the bottom and we have 458 00:24:34,289 --> 00:24:42,839 we found this in the military archives 459 00:24:37,069 --> 00:24:45,960 first and so last week which we did an 460 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:49,049 expedition to try to find it 461 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,640 and here you have the Lake Lake Namara 462 00:24:49,049 --> 00:24:54,779 and how do you have the boats we use 463 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:59,100 them because we will forth would like to 464 00:24:54,779 --> 00:25:01,769 try to find this and here you have the 465 00:24:59,099 --> 00:25:04,169 divers and already we didn't find 466 00:25:01,769 --> 00:25:06,150 anything because there was mud several 467 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:08,820 meters of mud on the bottom and we will 468 00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:12,120 do another expedition when we have 469 00:25:08,819 --> 00:25:14,339 enough money to try to see if we can 470 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:18,269 find anything in the on the bottom of 471 00:25:14,339 --> 00:25:20,159 this lake but this is a very very 472 00:25:18,269 --> 00:25:21,180 typical observation for Sweden and we 473 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,420 don't know why 474 00:25:21,180 --> 00:25:29,519 just Sweden these rather small missile 475 00:25:24,420 --> 00:25:31,890 type of craft pass over Sweden and we 476 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:34,349 had one on the 6th of July was the last 477 00:25:31,890 --> 00:25:35,730 we really don't know don't know what is 478 00:25:34,349 --> 00:25:38,609 this and the military don't know of 479 00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:48,539 course here you have one of the divers 480 00:25:38,609 --> 00:25:52,859 also them sorry run a small about 5 481 00:25:48,539 --> 00:25:55,920 meters or something yes sir but they 482 00:25:52,859 --> 00:25:59,879 have been observed in 1946 and that's 483 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:02,060 the special the military thought in 1936 484 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:06,210 that perhaps this was a Russian or 485 00:26:02,059 --> 00:26:13,289 something but nobody knows and we don't 486 00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:15,480 know ok our ideology or the way we think 487 00:26:13,289 --> 00:26:18,389 we call it Third Way ufology we are 488 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,910 neither skeptic bility Barkers nor 489 00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:25,100 uncritical believers but we try to keep 490 00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:28,500 an open mind and investigate all cases 491 00:26:25,099 --> 00:26:30,629 we do feel investigation we try to have 492 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:32,789 as good facts as possible and as much 493 00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:35,130 expert knowledge as possible and we try 494 00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:36,869 to do it ourselves that's our way in 495 00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:39,030 Sweden I wouldn't say that this is the 496 00:26:36,869 --> 00:26:41,359 absolute right way but it's the way we 497 00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:41,359 do it 498 00:26:42,679 --> 00:26:48,090 but of course it is a tricky problem I 499 00:26:46,288 --> 00:26:50,788 don't know how many of you have read 500 00:26:48,089 --> 00:26:54,740 Chuck Malaya you should if you haven't 501 00:26:50,788 --> 00:26:57,628 very interesting writer and he often 502 00:26:54,740 --> 00:26:59,308 talks about forbidden science that this 503 00:26:57,628 --> 00:27:02,038 subject is a forbidden science and 504 00:26:59,308 --> 00:27:04,440 that's you can say the a sofa bed in 505 00:27:02,038 --> 00:27:07,528 science in many respects but Chuck 506 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:10,470 Valley also points to shows that this is 507 00:27:07,528 --> 00:27:13,019 also an intelligence problem when you 508 00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:16,350 have these very special close up close 509 00:27:13,019 --> 00:27:20,399 encounter cases in contact cases if 510 00:27:16,349 --> 00:27:23,548 somebody else is around then science is 511 00:27:20,398 --> 00:27:24,538 not enough then you have to think in 512 00:27:23,548 --> 00:27:27,109 different ways 513 00:27:24,538 --> 00:27:30,419 almost like like the intelligence 514 00:27:27,109 --> 00:27:33,990 organizations work it is a tricky 515 00:27:30,419 --> 00:27:37,528 problem so I show how we did it in 516 00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:40,069 Sweden how we started and how we built 517 00:27:37,528 --> 00:27:43,048 up this the largest archive in the world 518 00:27:40,069 --> 00:27:46,878 well we started very young 519 00:27:43,048 --> 00:27:49,440 thanks we went through three young lads 520 00:27:46,878 --> 00:27:52,618 I'm to the left you in case you want to 521 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:57,058 know and it's my partner Charlie own son 522 00:27:52,618 --> 00:28:00,480 and understand again here in 1973 we 523 00:27:57,058 --> 00:28:04,168 came together and said let's start let's 524 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,950 try to build up the base for UFO 525 00:28:04,169 --> 00:28:10,499 research in Sweden so we started a 526 00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:11,610 informal group small informant group we 527 00:28:10,499 --> 00:28:14,600 call it working 528 00:28:11,609 --> 00:28:21,449 Arabic skin or anthropology or if a 529 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:24,058 working group for ethology and we 530 00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:28,700 started small magazine published our 531 00:28:24,058 --> 00:28:35,999 cases so called it do you follow gist 532 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:40,379 1974 here and we started in 1974 to 533 00:28:35,999 --> 00:28:42,298 build the archive my colleague here 534 00:28:40,378 --> 00:28:45,118 Shari Olson to the left 535 00:28:42,298 --> 00:28:47,579 he was like myself a librarian and we 536 00:28:45,118 --> 00:28:50,368 were bookish if you see that's the way 537 00:28:47,579 --> 00:28:53,278 look at it we started to collect books 538 00:28:50,368 --> 00:28:53,699 we thought we said if you're going to do 539 00:28:53,278 --> 00:28:56,038 you 540 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:57,840 research on this you need material you 541 00:28:56,038 --> 00:29:01,079 need books you need magazines you need 542 00:28:57,839 --> 00:29:03,869 material organized structured so we 543 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:07,470 started a small lending library in his 544 00:29:03,869 --> 00:29:09,898 one-room apartment - two bookshelves 545 00:29:07,470 --> 00:29:11,639 that was to start at the largest archive 546 00:29:09,898 --> 00:29:14,579 in the world I think that's rather 547 00:29:11,638 --> 00:29:19,579 fantastic we had 300 books from the 548 00:29:14,579 --> 00:29:22,319 beginning and it's me - the writer and 549 00:29:19,579 --> 00:29:24,720 this man here learn that you want some 550 00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:27,898 he was the first do nater - this archive 551 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:35,009 he donated but 250 books to us and that 552 00:29:27,898 --> 00:29:39,538 started the archive I started a 553 00:29:35,009 --> 00:29:42,778 newsletter in 1975 and I wrote in the 554 00:29:39,538 --> 00:29:45,569 first newsletter I wrote like this that 555 00:29:42,778 --> 00:29:47,579 we are laying the foundation for what we 556 00:29:45,569 --> 00:29:49,740 hope will develop to a recognized 557 00:29:47,579 --> 00:29:54,449 special library for you for literature 558 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:55,859 in Sweden that was their hope in 1975 of 559 00:29:54,450 --> 00:30:02,100 course we didn't know that we were going 560 00:29:55,859 --> 00:30:04,819 to be the largest in the world then we 561 00:30:02,099 --> 00:30:07,769 had a lot of discussions in the 1970s 562 00:30:04,819 --> 00:30:10,710 ideological discussions about this 563 00:30:07,769 --> 00:30:13,319 subject how what to think and how to 564 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:15,329 work with this and we were influenced 565 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:20,069 very much by Jacques Vallee and John 566 00:30:15,329 --> 00:30:24,148 keel - American authors which I guess 567 00:30:20,069 --> 00:30:28,288 many of you have read and they open new 568 00:30:24,148 --> 00:30:30,869 ways to think about this subject they 569 00:30:28,288 --> 00:30:35,028 were open to other theories besides the 570 00:30:30,869 --> 00:30:35,028 extra-terrestrial which was interesting 571 00:30:35,388 --> 00:30:43,589 they also looked at comparative studies 572 00:30:39,808 --> 00:30:44,298 how how in folklore comparing religious 573 00:30:43,589 --> 00:30:47,220 wishing's 574 00:30:44,298 --> 00:30:51,888 we heard about Fatima for a while ago 575 00:30:47,220 --> 00:30:51,889 and paranormal phenomena 576 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,120 they also started an interest in the 577 00:30:56,349 --> 00:31:02,558 psychological sociological and political 578 00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:07,899 aspects of this because this is the way 579 00:31:02,558 --> 00:31:10,029 our subject is and this is important an 580 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:13,059 open and unbiased investigation of 581 00:31:10,029 --> 00:31:15,670 contactee cases because from the 582 00:31:13,058 --> 00:31:18,910 beginning it was almost taboo to 583 00:31:15,670 --> 00:31:21,460 trustees physical contact cases the 584 00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:22,660 scientific ufologist didn't want to want 585 00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:26,650 anything to do with it 586 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:28,660 only only abnormal observations but both 587 00:31:26,650 --> 00:31:31,269 Jacques Vallee and John Keeler this is 588 00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:33,970 sort of change that in many ways it's 589 00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:40,808 done so we started investigating even 590 00:31:33,970 --> 00:31:42,970 these type of cases and our first study 591 00:31:40,808 --> 00:31:46,779 was of the ghost drug is the first 592 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:48,880 published study we did we collected 593 00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:51,298 articles from Swedish magazines about 594 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:55,960 the ghost raucous ghost rocket wave of 595 00:31:51,298 --> 00:32:00,418 1946 and here you have a photograph it's 596 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:04,660 one person from the military who is 597 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:08,020 called Karl just a birth doll he is at a 598 00:32:04,660 --> 00:32:11,650 lake called Columbia and it's the 19th 599 00:32:08,019 --> 00:32:14,200 July 1946 several people saw one of 600 00:32:11,650 --> 00:32:15,610 these missiles crashed into this lake 601 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,460 and the military were there looking 602 00:32:15,609 --> 00:32:19,869 didn't find anything as usual at least 603 00:32:18,460 --> 00:32:22,169 as far as we know they didn't find 604 00:32:19,869 --> 00:32:22,168 anything 605 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:34,058 in 1977 we did our first disclosure you 606 00:32:30,730 --> 00:32:37,509 could say we got a written permission 607 00:32:34,058 --> 00:32:41,410 from the defense minister at that time 608 00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:44,710 eric kieron mark to examine formerly 609 00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:46,990 classified material in the military 610 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:50,620 archives about the ghost flyers of the 611 00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:52,630 1930s that was another wave of air 612 00:32:50,619 --> 00:32:55,629 airplanes at least what looked like 613 00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:57,820 airplanes flying in very very hard 614 00:32:55,630 --> 00:33:00,309 conditions and nobody know where they 615 00:32:57,819 --> 00:33:02,799 came from and this was classified for 616 00:33:00,308 --> 00:33:06,418 many years but we were allowed to copy 617 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:08,200 this and look at this material this was 618 00:33:06,419 --> 00:33:10,899 probably so 619 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:14,950 form of espionage as we know now but 620 00:33:10,898 --> 00:33:18,509 then it was very very classified for 621 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:23,080 many years this was our one of our first 622 00:33:18,509 --> 00:33:27,490 disclosures sort of here is just a a 623 00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:29,138 view or study in debates in the 1970s 624 00:33:27,490 --> 00:33:32,409 the man down there 625 00:33:29,138 --> 00:33:34,778 he called O'Keefe Francine I guess many 626 00:33:32,409 --> 00:33:37,870 of you who have heard of Mothman and 627 00:33:34,778 --> 00:33:42,220 seen a picture Mothman okay Francine was 628 00:33:37,869 --> 00:33:45,879 one was investigated this in the 1960s 629 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:49,179 he met all of the witnesses to this very 630 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,278 strange being you know sort of a flying 631 00:33:49,179 --> 00:33:54,278 monster type I don't know if you have 632 00:33:51,278 --> 00:33:57,159 read about it he met all the witnesses 633 00:33:54,278 --> 00:33:59,589 and did a very good investigation and 634 00:33:57,159 --> 00:34:03,630 then he was part of our team at that 635 00:33:59,589 --> 00:34:03,629 time unfortunately he's he is dead today 636 00:34:04,048 --> 00:34:10,300 in the 1970s we started to get more and 637 00:34:07,630 --> 00:34:14,079 more donations quote your studyin was 638 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:16,119 very or was a very famous author the 639 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,550 grand old man of ufology in Sweden and 640 00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:21,399 he donated his books to us in 1978 641 00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:22,690 because of the eyesight he started to he 642 00:34:21,398 --> 00:34:25,029 couldn't read anymore 643 00:34:22,690 --> 00:34:27,909 unfortunate so we he donated his books 644 00:34:25,030 --> 00:34:30,879 to us which was very important for us he 645 00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:33,300 musta were presented for April Aryan 646 00:34:30,878 --> 00:34:41,588 phenomenal research organizations in the 647 00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:45,250 1950s and 60s for Sweden them in 1979 we 648 00:34:41,588 --> 00:34:48,519 changed our name to archives for UFO 649 00:34:45,250 --> 00:34:52,210 research and it was the same acronym or 650 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:54,730 F ooh and we thought that was very good 651 00:34:52,210 --> 00:34:56,710 I keep it very fortunate in Swedish 652 00:34:54,730 --> 00:35:01,559 archives for you for research we thought 653 00:34:56,710 --> 00:35:05,230 that was a brilliant idea and of course 654 00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:08,019 here you have the found the board 655 00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:12,159 leaders at a time then it is honestly 656 00:35:08,019 --> 00:35:15,099 legal to left and okey francium here and 657 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:18,818 you have spanoulis ransom and surely 658 00:35:15,099 --> 00:35:22,890 unsung and me of course then we were the 659 00:35:18,818 --> 00:35:22,889 board members at that time in 1980 660 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:31,159 we couldn't keep the archive in a small 661 00:35:27,260 --> 00:35:33,830 one-room apartment my friend Channel he 662 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:36,618 had books and magazines all over the 663 00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:39,279 place I think the only way only place he 664 00:35:36,619 --> 00:35:40,550 didn't have books in the end was the 665 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,340 refrigerator 666 00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:46,550 it was books excellent everywhere so we 667 00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:51,140 had to move and we've gotten a small 668 00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:52,910 premise in norrköping in 1980 and that 669 00:35:51,139 --> 00:35:56,750 was very important to us this was our 670 00:35:52,909 --> 00:36:00,769 first premise to and moved there our 671 00:35:56,750 --> 00:36:04,219 collection today we have 10 premises I 672 00:36:00,769 --> 00:36:12,380 can say in norrköping 450 square meters 673 00:36:04,219 --> 00:36:13,309 of material we did and if you have a lot 674 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:15,380 of books you have to have a 675 00:36:13,309 --> 00:36:18,320 classification system so we did our own 676 00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:20,329 classification systems we could you 677 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,880 couldn't work with a live ordinary 678 00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:25,759 library in that way but we created 679 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,680 something called you foo code which 680 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,590 today we have changed two phenomena 681 00:36:27,679 --> 00:36:32,059 called femco because we are we have more 682 00:36:30,590 --> 00:36:34,519 than new four books today we have a lot 683 00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:38,239 of 14 books parent books and paranormal 684 00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:40,400 phenomenon so forth but we created our 685 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:45,799 own classification systems and it's it 686 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:48,260 worked pretty good this was a very 687 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,560 important to nation I guess many of you 688 00:36:48,260 --> 00:36:55,340 have heard of Parton on the publishing 689 00:36:51,559 --> 00:37:02,779 company we started in 1957 in Sweden and 690 00:36:55,340 --> 00:37:06,619 it was a Danish lady I forgot Edith 691 00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:09,950 Nicole Ison who started this she died in 692 00:37:06,619 --> 00:37:13,430 1986 and all this material that she had 693 00:37:09,949 --> 00:37:16,639 collected during these years do was 694 00:37:13,429 --> 00:37:18,669 donated to us and this is a remarkable 695 00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:21,259 collection because here our 696 00:37:18,670 --> 00:37:23,750 correspondence with all the people 697 00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:27,470 involved in ufology in the 1950s and 60s 698 00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:30,500 and all the contactees from the 1950s 699 00:37:27,469 --> 00:37:32,779 you have original content or espanha 700 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:34,659 from Daniel Frye George Adamski or FeO 701 00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:37,180 Angelou Qi and all these people 702 00:37:34,659 --> 00:37:38,679 and they say I don't know if I don't 703 00:37:37,179 --> 00:37:40,629 even know if the Americans had lives 704 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:44,169 because we get a lot of questions about 705 00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:48,309 this material very important to nation 706 00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:53,829 for us for research the man to the left 707 00:37:48,309 --> 00:37:57,640 here is call Anton Madsen was was one of 708 00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:59,798 who helped us with this and you have of 709 00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:08,679 course the lady herself here 710 00:37:59,798 --> 00:38:10,509 edith nickel isin in 1986 we joined the 711 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:14,500 national organization you for sweden we 712 00:38:10,509 --> 00:38:18,190 have been on our own from the beginning 713 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:21,670 and unfortunately in 1986 my friend and 714 00:38:18,190 --> 00:38:24,338 colleague shall human son died too much 715 00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:27,190 too early he was the one who started the 716 00:38:24,338 --> 00:38:31,298 library really and that was a sad thing 717 00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:34,500 for us but the work that he started 718 00:38:31,298 --> 00:38:34,500 continues today 719 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:44,349 in 1987 here we have a picture from the 720 00:38:39,548 --> 00:38:46,659 library then st. olaf's when someone one 721 00:38:44,349 --> 00:38:49,509 of the ufologists in norrköping came up 722 00:38:46,659 --> 00:38:52,598 to us one day and said i have quitted my 723 00:38:49,509 --> 00:38:55,240 job and i will work full-time in your 724 00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:58,509 archive Wow 725 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:01,838 when does that happen someone says they 726 00:38:58,509 --> 00:39:05,528 quit their job to work free full time 727 00:39:01,838 --> 00:39:08,018 for us this is idealism enormous 728 00:39:05,528 --> 00:39:11,980 idealism he still works for us full time 729 00:39:08,018 --> 00:39:14,229 I mean this is a gift from heaven when 730 00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:16,179 when does that happen and that has 731 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:18,630 helped us very very much very much 732 00:39:16,179 --> 00:39:18,629 indeed 733 00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:26,858 there are idealists today if we 734 00:39:23,980 --> 00:39:30,670 continued to look into the military 735 00:39:26,858 --> 00:39:31,900 archives as much as we could this is a 736 00:39:30,670 --> 00:39:35,170 picture from the Swedish defense 737 00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:38,259 Research agency and the you for archives 738 00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:40,750 from this agency and we were allowed to 739 00:39:38,259 --> 00:39:43,990 copy the entire military or UFO archive 740 00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:46,780 in 1987 and this archive is now in our 741 00:39:43,989 --> 00:39:50,259 field in norrköping 742 00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:53,140 of course there are cases we were not 743 00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:56,590 allowed of course but all the cases that 744 00:39:53,139 --> 00:39:58,299 were sort of Declassified we were 745 00:39:56,590 --> 00:40:00,039 allowed to copy and that was very very 746 00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:05,860 important for us this was telling in 747 00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:09,610 1987 the man here is our na yard man who 748 00:40:05,860 --> 00:40:11,079 was head of the sort of new food 749 00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:13,599 department in that time there had no 750 00:40:11,079 --> 00:40:20,349 money to do him you've investigating but 751 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:22,809 but he received the reports passively so 752 00:40:20,349 --> 00:40:24,819 we then we could create a national 753 00:40:22,809 --> 00:40:27,869 report archive like the Blue Book 754 00:40:24,820 --> 00:40:30,269 archive in there you can see it by 755 00:40:27,869 --> 00:40:33,480 putting together both the private 756 00:40:30,269 --> 00:40:35,619 archives the private researchers 757 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:39,010 investigation and the military records 758 00:40:35,619 --> 00:40:44,739 and make a large archive on this and it 759 00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:48,880 was very important in 1989 correos de 760 00:40:44,739 --> 00:40:51,089 rien the author died and he had promised 761 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,619 us that we should get his correspondence 762 00:40:51,090 --> 00:40:57,390 when he died which was coursework very 763 00:40:53,619 --> 00:41:01,989 valuable so my colleague and I underst 764 00:40:57,389 --> 00:41:05,500 to his small house and asked his 765 00:41:01,989 --> 00:41:09,429 daughter where do we are here to fetch 766 00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:13,150 his correspondence oh that she said I 767 00:41:09,429 --> 00:41:16,539 threw that away a week ago in the 768 00:41:13,150 --> 00:41:18,250 dustbin and we were stunned of course 769 00:41:16,539 --> 00:41:19,929 but you can take a look you go behind 770 00:41:18,250 --> 00:41:24,909 the house and see if it's still there 771 00:41:19,929 --> 00:41:29,109 and we did and there in in among a lot 772 00:41:24,909 --> 00:41:31,319 of old shirts and on things we found 32 773 00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:34,780 binders with the most fantastic 774 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:38,380 correspondence with with people from all 775 00:41:34,780 --> 00:41:43,390 over the world researchers you name it 776 00:41:38,380 --> 00:41:46,110 an invaluable material which is now in 777 00:41:43,389 --> 00:41:50,190 archives for you for research we were 778 00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:50,190 really happy when we found it 779 00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:55,450 unfortunately we have not been so lucky 780 00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:57,789 all the time sometimes when we have 781 00:41:55,449 --> 00:41:59,368 tried to say material they have said oh 782 00:41:57,789 --> 00:42:09,690 sorry I burn it a couple of 783 00:41:59,369 --> 00:42:14,608 ago in the 1990s we've tried to increase 784 00:42:09,690 --> 00:42:18,298 our archive by also developing personal 785 00:42:14,608 --> 00:42:22,108 files correspondence organizational 786 00:42:18,298 --> 00:42:25,559 files so in many ways you for group 787 00:42:22,108 --> 00:42:28,048 archives local publications because this 788 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:30,690 is important for the sociological aspect 789 00:42:28,048 --> 00:42:33,150 of this enigma we have many students who 790 00:42:30,690 --> 00:42:34,829 come to us from all over Sweden who want 791 00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:38,430 to study this from some aspect 792 00:42:34,829 --> 00:42:40,318 historical or religious or something and 793 00:42:38,429 --> 00:42:45,509 then this material is of great interest 794 00:42:40,318 --> 00:42:48,380 to them in the 1990s before the first 795 00:42:45,509 --> 00:42:50,759 time had a full time staff because of an 796 00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:53,338 government fund and an unemployment 797 00:42:50,759 --> 00:42:56,068 program so we could hire some people to 798 00:42:53,338 --> 00:42:58,768 work in the archive which was very good 799 00:42:56,068 --> 00:43:02,038 for us they could help us with databases 800 00:42:58,768 --> 00:43:04,909 and do a lot of work and we had about 40 801 00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:11,759 people working for us at that time 802 00:43:04,909 --> 00:43:15,558 worked for four to six months then our 803 00:43:11,759 --> 00:43:19,199 Ark I grew of course and in 1993 we 804 00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:21,028 inaugurated our second premises and we 805 00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:23,038 had a little party than with Russian 806 00:43:21,028 --> 00:43:31,139 champagne and sandwich cake which was 807 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:33,089 very nice and of course visitors from 808 00:43:31,139 --> 00:43:36,179 all over the world started coming in to 809 00:43:33,088 --> 00:43:39,420 see to look at this archives in 1996 we 810 00:43:36,179 --> 00:43:43,949 had Hillary elements which many of you 811 00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:47,789 know I hope I think visitors he died a 812 00:43:43,949 --> 00:43:51,659 couple of a year ago unfortunately came 813 00:43:47,789 --> 00:43:53,278 at a good visit us in 1998 and he was so 814 00:43:51,659 --> 00:43:55,259 impressed so in he wrote a check 815 00:43:53,278 --> 00:43:58,349 immediately when he was there to support 816 00:43:55,259 --> 00:44:00,599 the archive and we was very nice for us 817 00:43:58,349 --> 00:44:03,028 of course we have many visitors from all 818 00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:06,239 over the world simply because we have 819 00:44:03,028 --> 00:44:08,159 material that doesn't exist anywhere in 820 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,769 the world even from the United States we 821 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:12,509 get questions from the United States 822 00:44:09,768 --> 00:44:13,479 about material that they should have but 823 00:44:12,509 --> 00:44:19,840 the only place to 824 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:24,849 find it is in offer in norrköping we did 825 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:26,380 a check in 2000 we closed phone when my 826 00:44:24,849 --> 00:44:28,630 colleagues visited Center for you for 827 00:44:26,380 --> 00:44:32,769 studies in Chicago and he noticed that 828 00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:36,099 their archive our archive was larger so 829 00:44:32,769 --> 00:44:39,369 from 2000 we said okay we are probably 830 00:44:36,099 --> 00:44:41,829 the largest archive in the world as you 831 00:44:39,369 --> 00:44:45,100 know Center for you for studies have had 832 00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:47,049 to abandon their premises today they are 833 00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:51,940 they are having a lot of trouble 834 00:44:47,050 --> 00:44:56,170 unfortunately we are doing the opposite 835 00:44:51,940 --> 00:44:57,849 we are increasing a very important 836 00:44:56,170 --> 00:44:59,920 collection was this the Boris Leon Chris 837 00:44:57,849 --> 00:45:04,719 collection you see here how we can look 838 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:07,300 in the archive when material comes was 839 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,368 young Chris was a Swedish writer wrote I 840 00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:13,450 think four books on new force in the 841 00:45:09,369 --> 00:45:17,140 1970s and 80s and we bought a lot of his 842 00:45:13,449 --> 00:45:24,849 material so it's unsafe in the archive 843 00:45:17,139 --> 00:45:29,379 now well dr. David Clarke's had this to 844 00:45:24,849 --> 00:45:31,480 say when he visited us in 2006 and of 845 00:45:29,380 --> 00:45:34,809 course that's always very nice to hear 846 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,480 that he is not aware of any comparable 847 00:45:34,809 --> 00:45:45,070 collection in any other country and I 848 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:48,519 guess he should know in 2006 849 00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:51,369 something very unique happened we 850 00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:55,019 received a grant from the Swedish 851 00:45:51,369 --> 00:46:00,280 National Archives for 82,000 Swedish 852 00:45:55,019 --> 00:46:04,500 kronor 82,000 and we could buy these 853 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:09,040 shelves then and for our magazines 854 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:12,989 this was quite fantastic 80 mm that's a 855 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:12,989 lot of money to receive 856 00:46:14,050 --> 00:46:20,019 in 2009 another important product 857 00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,789 started in in Sweden we have many 858 00:46:20,019 --> 00:46:25,090 unemployed as of course we have in many 859 00:46:21,789 --> 00:46:28,239 countries and the government has a 860 00:46:25,090 --> 00:46:31,269 program called forestry where we can 861 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:35,169 hire unemployed people and we get paid 862 00:46:31,269 --> 00:46:37,210 by the government for doing that so now 863 00:46:35,170 --> 00:46:41,590 we have 10 people working for us 864 00:46:37,210 --> 00:46:44,530 that's fast to you and it gives us a lot 865 00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:46,840 of money shamefully a lot of money but 866 00:46:44,530 --> 00:46:51,460 we that's recorded this sort of 867 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:53,920 government funding in a way but it means 868 00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:55,809 that we can do a lot of work many many 869 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,590 are engaged in in the archive in 870 00:46:55,809 --> 00:47:01,090 different types of work and this is our 871 00:46:59,590 --> 00:47:07,630 first foster oaken landing in 872 00:47:01,090 --> 00:47:12,910 what's-his-name Hilary Evans died as I 873 00:47:07,630 --> 00:47:17,230 told you and he donated all his large 874 00:47:12,909 --> 00:47:19,420 collection to Haifa in 2010 this was the 875 00:47:17,230 --> 00:47:22,510 largest donation we have ever received 876 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:24,820 it was a fantastic donation I think it 877 00:47:22,510 --> 00:47:26,560 was nine thousand books it was two 878 00:47:24,820 --> 00:47:31,150 hundred and thirty-five boxes of 879 00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:34,299 material a truck came loaded full of 880 00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:37,360 material it came just that we had a 881 00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:39,730 small party of course in our archive so 882 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,250 we had to put on our clothes and carry 883 00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:45,119 these boxes here but we were close were 884 00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:48,309 very happy for this a very very fine 885 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:50,349 collection Hilary Evans had collected 886 00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:53,849 material from all over the world not 887 00:47:50,349 --> 00:47:57,130 just UFO literature but about folklore 888 00:47:53,849 --> 00:47:59,679 paranormal research parapsychology 889 00:47:57,130 --> 00:48:03,640 anything so now we can say that our 890 00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:06,429 collection in many ways are somewhat 891 00:48:03,639 --> 00:48:13,599 better than the university libraries in 892 00:48:06,429 --> 00:48:15,909 Sweden in in some cases to honor 893 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:19,869 Hilary Evans we made a special events 894 00:48:15,909 --> 00:48:22,299 library and you can see a picture of it 895 00:48:19,869 --> 00:48:25,809 here it is a fantastic collection of 896 00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:27,670 books from several several hundred years 897 00:48:25,809 --> 00:48:30,639 old mint condition 898 00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:33,730 privately bound he bought books from all 899 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:38,500 over the world and we are very happy for 900 00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:40,750 this collection do like donations come 901 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:43,780 in from all over the world so much that 902 00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:46,449 we really we often don't know how to 903 00:48:43,780 --> 00:48:48,790 handle it because it comes on almost on 904 00:48:46,449 --> 00:48:54,909 a daily basis a weekly basis it comes 905 00:48:48,789 --> 00:48:57,820 from Brazil Japan Russia Simba you name 906 00:48:54,909 --> 00:48:58,809 it very large collection because we are 907 00:48:57,820 --> 00:49:01,180 quite well-known 908 00:48:58,809 --> 00:49:08,289 we have worked since 1973 and many 909 00:49:01,179 --> 00:49:12,489 people know about us so how does it look 910 00:49:08,289 --> 00:49:15,159 today we have 10 premises 450 square 911 00:49:12,489 --> 00:49:18,779 meters you can see here about 20,000 912 00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:22,449 books thousands of magazines of course 913 00:49:18,780 --> 00:49:24,310 articles we collect everything when it 914 00:49:22,449 --> 00:49:28,089 comes to books we collect three copies 915 00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:31,469 of every book published in every country 916 00:49:28,090 --> 00:49:37,180 in every edition in every language 917 00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:40,689 so we there is a lot of books we have 918 00:49:37,179 --> 00:49:42,579 one person employed and then on this 919 00:49:40,690 --> 00:49:45,280 unemployment program and about six 920 00:49:42,579 --> 00:49:47,529 volunteers so daily you have about 15 921 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,300 people working in this Orca you can come 922 00:49:47,530 --> 00:49:56,290 and visit us just like any other 923 00:49:49,300 --> 00:50:00,070 architect this is unique in the world so 924 00:49:56,289 --> 00:50:05,920 how much time do I have one minute oh 925 00:50:00,070 --> 00:50:09,809 shit okay some pictures here here you 926 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:14,440 have one picture of the library I go to 927 00:50:09,809 --> 00:50:19,119 so this is the way it looks are working 928 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:24,090 premises here our archivists idealists 929 00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:29,829 Venable Swenson our and the man employed 930 00:50:24,090 --> 00:50:31,570 doing scanning and digitizing my former 931 00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:33,389 colleague at norrköping Public Library 932 00:50:31,570 --> 00:50:36,280 who want to do something when she 933 00:50:33,389 --> 00:50:37,719 retired she's now working for us instead 934 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,360 that's very good to have a professional 935 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:44,109 librarian 936 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:48,670 my colleague understand again and myself 937 00:50:44,110 --> 00:50:50,590 of course we do a lot of research and 938 00:50:48,670 --> 00:50:52,690 documentation publish it in books 939 00:50:50,590 --> 00:50:54,059 magazines I have written some books 940 00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:57,369 myself 941 00:50:54,059 --> 00:50:58,420 we have many university students who 942 00:50:57,369 --> 00:51:00,909 come to visit us 943 00:50:58,420 --> 00:51:03,880 this is Bettina Syrian from the 944 00:51:00,909 --> 00:51:06,940 University of Lynn chirping she found us 945 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:10,320 and was shot it was fantastic that this 946 00:51:06,940 --> 00:51:13,179 archive was so close to her hometown 947 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:16,960 this is a special some special pictures 948 00:51:13,179 --> 00:51:19,960 we talked about Fatima before a couple 949 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,940 of weeks ago there were in a Swedish 950 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,400 church the santa maria church outside of 951 00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:27,000 stockholm some people thought they saw 952 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:29,980 the Virgin Mary 953 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:33,099 outside his church and thousands of 954 00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:36,880 people came there and there was a sort 955 00:51:33,099 --> 00:51:38,949 of religious revival and this just 956 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,599 because some they saw them yeah also a 957 00:51:38,949 --> 00:51:42,579 small figure in the in the window it was 958 00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:46,170 nothing special early I I thought it was 959 00:51:42,579 --> 00:51:50,349 nothing special but then I thought how 960 00:51:46,170 --> 00:51:53,860 will people react if something like a 961 00:51:50,349 --> 00:51:57,099 real disclosure will happen there are 962 00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:59,470 few people on this planet who can deal 963 00:51:57,099 --> 00:52:01,360 rationally with a thing like that I 964 00:51:59,469 --> 00:52:04,000 think many will go to the gods and 965 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:07,329 demons stuff we will have a very 966 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:09,280 problematic religious sprint as a 967 00:52:07,329 --> 00:52:11,739 situation I don't say it it because I'm 968 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,570 against disclosure of course not but I 969 00:52:11,739 --> 00:52:17,529 think there are many problems in it I 970 00:52:13,570 --> 00:52:19,420 noticed this here I'm three researching 971 00:52:17,530 --> 00:52:21,750 the contact enigma as I said here is one 972 00:52:19,420 --> 00:52:24,820 of two of my colleagues Timothy good 973 00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:27,369 England Tony Brown from New Zealand to 974 00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:31,630 who investigate contact cases very good 975 00:52:27,369 --> 00:52:34,239 researches both of them there is my book 976 00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:36,670 I wrote aliens on earth for contacts in 977 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:39,699 Sweden unfortunately only in Swedish 978 00:52:36,670 --> 00:52:41,650 then and you know there are so many 979 00:52:39,699 --> 00:52:46,119 conspiracy runs somewhat to talk about 980 00:52:41,650 --> 00:52:49,200 conspiracy today and there are many 981 00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:52,869 people think we work for this well 982 00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:53,099 NSA CIA or anything and I used to say no 983 00:52:52,869 --> 00:52:55,679 we 984 00:52:53,099 --> 00:53:01,289 don't work for the CIA we work for the H 985 00:52:55,679 --> 00:53:06,649 I a higher intelligence agency that 986 00:53:01,289 --> 00:53:09,360 could be something I have a hope that 987 00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:12,630 have you seen the movie the planet of 988 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:15,840 apes with Charlton Heston one of my 989 00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:18,869 favorite movies you know when these you 990 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:20,760 know three guys are going in the desert 991 00:53:18,869 --> 00:53:22,769 on an unknown planet and they start 992 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,380 discussing life and why did you go on 993 00:53:22,769 --> 00:53:28,440 this trip they can't go back and they 994 00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:29,400 discuss what what sure what why did you 995 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:34,260 go on this trip 996 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:36,599 one is a well power type or he want to 997 00:53:34,260 --> 00:53:39,480 be the first the brave man he hopes 998 00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:42,449 there's a statue on earth from him the 999 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,280 second man is a scientist he would go 1000 00:53:42,449 --> 00:53:47,219 down in a burning volcano if he could 1001 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,810 got new data from it and then to say to 1002 00:53:47,219 --> 00:53:51,629 Charlton husband you are so negative 1003 00:53:48,809 --> 00:53:55,769 what what you you you don't like this 1004 00:53:51,630 --> 00:54:07,349 our planet no I'm not really and he says 1005 00:53:55,769 --> 00:54:10,199 like this well I think so I I do hope so 1006 00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:12,839 some of my cases indicates this may be 1007 00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:16,519 the case and if that is a conspiracy I 1008 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,519 like to join I'll do it thank you